Extra: Affects Objects

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Last I checked, the current ruling for this game is that characters who lack a Constitution score and have Immunity to Fortitude effects automatically fail the saving throw against a Fortitude effect with the "Affects Objects" extra from Ultimate Power.

Steve Kenson has suggested letting Constructs purchase a separate Immunity that would cover these effects.

I have suggested that, since one can purchase a Flawed Immunity that converts Lethal Damage to Nonlethal Damage, a Construct should be able to purchase a Limited version of "Immunity: Affects Objects Fortitude Saves" that converts the save from a Fortitude save to a Toughness save.

Can we get an official ruling on this? And how much such an Immunity would cost?

I remember it being said that, since these effects come up less often than standard Fortitude effects, the Immunity should cost less than the 30-point Fortitude Immunity.

[Dr Archeville]

The Refs... are actually still noodling this one over. :oops:

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I'd suggest it be a 10-point Immunity, with the Flawed version coming in at 5 points. I don't see an Affects Objects Disintegrate or Transform coming up any more or less often than an effect with a relatively common (for a superhero game) descriptor like "Fire" or "Lightning."

[Dr Archeville]

I've also seen it suggested that the Construct get a Reflex save instead of what would normally be the Fort save. (Thus, if Reaver attacked Avenger with his Corrosion, Avenger'd make a Ref save vs. the Drain Toughness part, then a Toughness save vs. the Damage).

[N/A]

I've also seen it suggested that the Construct get a Reflex save instead of what would normally be the Fort save. (Thus, if Reaver attacked Avenger with his Corrosion, Avenger'd make a Ref save vs. the Drain Toughness part, then a Toughness save vs. the Damage).

My preference would be to give the player the option of choosing either Toughness or Reflex for the alternative save.

[Dr Archeville]

Why an option between two?

[N/A]

Why an option between two?

Why limit them to one?

[Sandman XI]

I really dont get Reflex. It was based on your immune system, now it's based on your ability to jump out of the way? Does not compute. Toughness makes more sense.

[Dr Archeville]

Why limit them to one?

... because most powers only have one save?

I really dont get Reflex. It was based on your immune system, now it's based on your ability to jump out of the way? Does not compute. Toughness makes more sense.

I don't think a "Disintegration Ray" used on a living person is going to be targeting/resisted by their immune system.

[Dr Archeville]

A majority of the Refs have weighed in and voted.

Constructs get a Reflex save against Affects Objects Fort saves (like the Drain Toughness part of Corrosion and Disintegration).