Follow Up Attack

[Sandman XI]

Yes or no? If yes, only once or just as long as you keep critting?

Boy I'm in the asking mood this morning :P

[Dr Archeville]

I'm pretty sure we've shot this one down before.

[Ecalsneerg]

It strikes me as essentially being Luck X (Flaws: Limited to surging, limited to when you crit). X being the operative term there.

[angrydurf]

And luck isn't allowed to be limited here.

Also IIRC Follow up allows more than one follow up attack(if you manage to crit again) whereas you can only surge once per round.

Either way though it seems more than a little counter to the whole 1 attack per round thing. Of course so is improved grab and that alot easier to ensure you manage to do regularly.

[Sandman XI]

I do think we're looking at Improved Grab wrong though. It lets you hit then attempt a grapple. Like grappling in reverse which is attempt a grapple and then hit.

[N/A]

That's not true.

Normal: You make an unarmed attack roll. If you hit your foe's Defense, then you make an opposed grapple check. If you win the opposed grapple check, you can then select one of the grapple results - Damage, Pin, Throw, or Escape.

Improved Grab: You make a normal unarmed attack roll. If you hit your foe's Defense, you inflict unarmed damage normally. Then, you also get to roll an opposed grapple check, and choose any of the normal grapple results if you win. Including "Damage." Effectively damaging your foe twice in one round.

[N/A]

That having been said...I don't actually have a problem with Follow-Up Attack. I don't think it's unbalanced. Critical Hits happen, at best (because of our house rules limiting ranks in Improved Crit), 15% of the time. A character could conceivably put a power point into this feat and never get to use it.

[Avenger Assembled]

It sounds kind of useless. With how rare crits are here, why bother to take the feat at all?

[Ecalsneerg]

Shaen is correct on his interpretation. However, Sandy's interpretation is a lot fairer and more balanced.

[angrydurf]

Shaen is correct on his interpretation. However, Sandy's interpretation is a lot fairer and more balanced.

Both of these things are true :D

[N/A]

Sandy's interpretation isn't fair. It's just wrong. You never "grapple, then attempt a hit." You always hit, then attempt a grapple. It's just that the "hit" doesn't do any damage, while the grapple might.

I agree that Improved Grab is truly broken. It's the one core book feat I seriously think should be banned and forgotten.

[N/A]

Also, to clarify, that's to initiate a grapple. Once it's on, you just roll the opposed grapple check every round until someone escapes or falls unconscious, with no need for further attack rolls.

[Elfy]

In my own games, i let them do damage once for the hit, but they can choose one of the other options (i.e., not damage) for their grapple if they win.