Heridfel Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I'd want another referee to look over the other possible Areas. I would definitely reduce the distance of the Line from 50 ft./rank to 25 ft./rank. Even if the Explosive Line Trip were allowed, anyone within the line would be able to make a Reflex save to only be hit with half the usual effect, which offsets some of the benefits of no to-hit roll being required. With Immovable, i'm looking as much as your descriptors as I am the power description itself. If you don't have something to brace yourself against, how will attracting the ground keep you in one place? You would need to pin yourself between several things in that case, and they'd all need to be in the same inertial frame. That wouldn't allow for the moon or some other celestial body to keep you Immovable while swinging.
Heridfel Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I'd want another referee to look over the other possible Areas. I would definitely reduce the distance of the Line from 50 ft./rank to 25 ft./rank. Even if the Explosive Line Trip were allowed, anyone within the line would be able to make a Reflex save to only be hit with half the usual effect, which offsets some of the benefits of no to-hit roll being required. With Immovable, i'm looking as much as your descriptors as I am the power description itself. If you don't have something to brace yourself against, how will attracting the ground keep you in one place? You would need to pin yourself between several things in that case, and they'd all need to be in the same inertial frame. That wouldn't allow for the moon or some other celestial body to keep you Immovable while swinging.
JDRook Posted February 6, 2008 Author Posted February 6, 2008 I'd want another referee to look over the other possible Areas. I would definitely reduce the distance of the Line from 50 ft./rank to 25 ft./rank. Even if the Explosive Line Trip were allowed, anyone within the line would be able to make a Reflex save to only be hit with half the usual effect, which offsets some of the benefits of no to-hit roll being required. I was basing the Explosion range variants on the base explosion, which just doubles the radius of a burst but has the damage reduction over distance to balance it out. Mathematically, they'd do the same amount of damage/area, but I do agree it feels unbalanced. 25ft/rank is the basic line area, though. Maybe creating a Reduced Damage over Distance Power Drawback would be more workable. Probably 3 points since it would always be in effect but isn't that limiting. Would only work on ranged or area affect powers though, since I don't see an easy way to make it work for persistent. With Immovable, i'm looking as much as your descriptors as I am the power description itself. If you don't have something to brace yourself against, how will attracting the ground keep you in one place? You would need to pin yourself between several things in that case, and they'd all need to be in the same inertial frame. That wouldn't allow for the moon or some other celestial body to keep you Immovable while swinging. I'd have to agree with that. I was imagining a web of gravitation holding him in the air, but that doesn't feel right. No Immovable with swinging makes sense. On the other hand, wouldn't that also make it a viable flaw? And would "Only useable when sufficiently braced" be appropriate for the ranged trip and TK? Wow, sorry this got so complicated. Hope you like it crunchy! PS - Changed the array so using Immovability while swinging isn't possible and therefore a moot point, but now tempted to flaw Immovable to maximum 5ft per round on a solid surface.
JDRook Posted February 6, 2008 Author Posted February 6, 2008 I'd want another referee to look over the other possible Areas. I would definitely reduce the distance of the Line from 50 ft./rank to 25 ft./rank. Even if the Explosive Line Trip were allowed, anyone within the line would be able to make a Reflex save to only be hit with half the usual effect, which offsets some of the benefits of no to-hit roll being required. I was basing the Explosion range variants on the base explosion, which just doubles the radius of a burst but has the damage reduction over distance to balance it out. Mathematically, they'd do the same amount of damage/area, but I do agree it feels unbalanced. 25ft/rank is the basic line area, though. Maybe creating a Reduced Damage over Distance Power Drawback would be more workable. Probably 3 points since it would always be in effect but isn't that limiting. Would only work on ranged or area affect powers though, since I don't see an easy way to make it work for persistent. With Immovable, i'm looking as much as your descriptors as I am the power description itself. If you don't have something to brace yourself against, how will attracting the ground keep you in one place? You would need to pin yourself between several things in that case, and they'd all need to be in the same inertial frame. That wouldn't allow for the moon or some other celestial body to keep you Immovable while swinging. I'd have to agree with that. I was imagining a web of gravitation holding him in the air, but that doesn't feel right. No Immovable with swinging makes sense. On the other hand, wouldn't that also make it a viable flaw? And would "Only useable when sufficiently braced" be appropriate for the ranged trip and TK? Wow, sorry this got so complicated. Hope you like it crunchy! PS - Changed the array so using Immovability while swinging isn't possible and therefore a moot point, but now tempted to flaw Immovable to maximum 5ft per round on a solid surface.
JDRook Posted February 6, 2008 Author Posted February 6, 2008 I'd want another referee to look over the other possible Areas. I would definitely reduce the distance of the Line from 50 ft./rank to 25 ft./rank. Even if the Explosive Line Trip were allowed, anyone within the line would be able to make a Reflex save to only be hit with half the usual effect, which offsets some of the benefits of no to-hit roll being required. I was basing the Explosion range variants on the base explosion, which just doubles the radius of a burst but has the damage reduction over distance to balance it out. Mathematically, they'd do the same amount of damage/area, but I do agree it feels unbalanced. 25ft/rank is the basic line area, though. Maybe creating a Reduced Damage over Distance Power Drawback would be more workable. Probably 3 points since it would always be in effect but isn't that limiting. Would only work on ranged or area affect powers though, since I don't see an easy way to make it work for persistent. With Immovable, i'm looking as much as your descriptors as I am the power description itself. If you don't have something to brace yourself against, how will attracting the ground keep you in one place? You would need to pin yourself between several things in that case, and they'd all need to be in the same inertial frame. That wouldn't allow for the moon or some other celestial body to keep you Immovable while swinging. I'd have to agree with that. I was imagining a web of gravitation holding him in the air, but that doesn't feel right. No Immovable with swinging makes sense. On the other hand, wouldn't that also make it a viable flaw? And would "Only useable when sufficiently braced" be appropriate for the ranged trip and TK? Wow, sorry this got so complicated. Hope you like it crunchy! PS - Changed the array so using Immovability while swinging isn't possible and therefore a moot point, but now tempted to flaw Immovable to maximum 5ft per round on a solid surface.
Heridfel Posted February 7, 2008 Posted February 7, 2008 I hadn't realized it before, but the Line's size was reduced in UP to 10 feet per rank. I was assuming that you went up one step on the Time/Value Progression Table, which would go back to the 25 ft./rank. The flaw you suggest for Immovable seems sufficiently limiting to me.
Heridfel Posted February 7, 2008 Posted February 7, 2008 I hadn't realized it before, but the Line's size was reduced in UP to 10 feet per rank. I was assuming that you went up one step on the Time/Value Progression Table, which would go back to the 25 ft./rank. The flaw you suggest for Immovable seems sufficiently limiting to me.
Heridfel Posted February 7, 2008 Posted February 7, 2008 I hadn't realized it before, but the Line's size was reduced in UP to 10 feet per rank. I was assuming that you went up one step on the Time/Value Progression Table, which would go back to the 25 ft./rank. The flaw you suggest for Immovable seems sufficiently limiting to me.
JDRook Posted February 8, 2008 Author Posted February 8, 2008 Ok, I did it again. More complexity, but I'll do it in stages so as not too overload you. Stage 1: The Encumbering Flaw I know you said the Immovable flaw was fine, but I got started thinking about the why of the flaw and blew it up. The Encumbering flaw inflicts the equivalent rank of Gravity Control on Stickler, which is the heavy load of rank * 5 in STR. I'll break down the numbers more later, but basically that would mean he could only use a couple ranks without effect, but start being weighed down in the 3-5 range, depending on whether he's using his enhanced Str. With the way I have him configured so far, he could only use up to rank 6 without falling prone or requiring some kind of bracing, not to mention all the penalties. It's a pretty heavy flaw (no pun intended), but I really like it, and it fits the concept really well. It should probably be worth more than -1, but with the array set up I'm not saving any points and I don't know if I'd give it any feats or extras. The new array would look like this: Movement Array: 11pp total dP: Super-Movement wall-crawling 3 [6] + PF: Subtle 1 + PF: Dynamic 1 = 8pp dAP: Immovable 1, Encumbering -1: 10 Ranks [5] + PF: Dynamic 1 = [6] plus Concealment (Scent Class) 2, Distracting -1: 2 ranks [2] = [8] 2pp AP: Super-Movement Swinging 1 [2] + PF: Subtle 1 = [3] plus Speed 1, Swinging only -1: 4 ranks [2] = [5] 1pp
JDRook Posted February 8, 2008 Author Posted February 8, 2008 Ok, I did it again. More complexity, but I'll do it in stages so as not too overload you. Stage 1: The Encumbering Flaw I know you said the Immovable flaw was fine, but I got started thinking about the why of the flaw and blew it up. The Encumbering flaw inflicts the equivalent rank of Gravity Control on Stickler, which is the heavy load of rank * 5 in STR. I'll break down the numbers more later, but basically that would mean he could only use a couple ranks without effect, but start being weighed down in the 3-5 range, depending on whether he's using his enhanced Str. With the way I have him configured so far, he could only use up to rank 6 without falling prone or requiring some kind of bracing, not to mention all the penalties. It's a pretty heavy flaw (no pun intended), but I really like it, and it fits the concept really well. It should probably be worth more than -1, but with the array set up I'm not saving any points and I don't know if I'd give it any feats or extras. The new array would look like this: Movement Array: 11pp total dP: Super-Movement wall-crawling 3 [6] + PF: Subtle 1 + PF: Dynamic 1 = 8pp dAP: Immovable 1, Encumbering -1: 10 Ranks [5] + PF: Dynamic 1 = [6] plus Concealment (Scent Class) 2, Distracting -1: 2 ranks [2] = [8] 2pp AP: Super-Movement Swinging 1 [2] + PF: Subtle 1 = [3] plus Speed 1, Swinging only -1: 4 ranks [2] = [5] 1pp
JDRook Posted February 8, 2008 Author Posted February 8, 2008 Ok, I did it again. More complexity, but I'll do it in stages so as not too overload you. Stage 1: The Encumbering Flaw I know you said the Immovable flaw was fine, but I got started thinking about the why of the flaw and blew it up. The Encumbering flaw inflicts the equivalent rank of Gravity Control on Stickler, which is the heavy load of rank * 5 in STR. I'll break down the numbers more later, but basically that would mean he could only use a couple ranks without effect, but start being weighed down in the 3-5 range, depending on whether he's using his enhanced Str. With the way I have him configured so far, he could only use up to rank 6 without falling prone or requiring some kind of bracing, not to mention all the penalties. It's a pretty heavy flaw (no pun intended), but I really like it, and it fits the concept really well. It should probably be worth more than -1, but with the array set up I'm not saving any points and I don't know if I'd give it any feats or extras. The new array would look like this: Movement Array: 11pp total dP: Super-Movement wall-crawling 3 [6] + PF: Subtle 1 + PF: Dynamic 1 = 8pp dAP: Immovable 1, Encumbering -1: 10 Ranks [5] + PF: Dynamic 1 = [6] plus Concealment (Scent Class) 2, Distracting -1: 2 ranks [2] = [8] 2pp AP: Super-Movement Swinging 1 [2] + PF: Subtle 1 = [3] plus Speed 1, Swinging only -1: 4 ranks [2] = [5] 1pp
JDRook Posted February 10, 2008 Author Posted February 10, 2008 Stage 2: Simulated Inverse Power Law Flaw We'd discussed Explosive area effect and possible variations for that, which didn't really work out. This is roughly the same idea, but pretty customized. As I suspect you know, gravity (and several other phenomena) drops in intensity inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source. So gravity felt by a target 100ft from source is 1/4 as strong as gravity felt by a second target at 50ft. Essentially, strength drops quickly but has at least a slight effect over distance. MnM doesn't really have that level of granularity (and I'm thankful for that) so I thought a simple way to simulate it would be to simply have rank drop to half rounded up every range increment. So for a rank 10 TK, the first 100ft range increment could do the full 10 ranks, the second would be 5, the third 3, then 2, then 1, and stay at 1 to the end of range. 10, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, . . . 1. I think this would give the right feel for the power. For more accuracy, I guess it should actually drop one quarter each rank (eg 10, 3, 1, ... 1.) but that seems less interesting to me. The main qualities of the flaw to me are the close range strength and the "long tail" at the end. I wrote up the array that would have the effect, and even included an extra Perception Range rank 1 power to simulate the long tail effect. Gravity Pull Array: 18pp total Trip 1, Knockforward +1, Explosive Area +1, Touch Range -1: 6 ranks (12) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle = 16pp AP: Trip 1, Knockback +1, Simulated Inverse Power Law -1, Side Effect -1: 8 ranks (4) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle 1 = [8] plus Trip 1, Knockback +1, Perception +1: 1 rank (3) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle 1 = [7] 1pp AP: Telekinesis 2, Explosive Area +1, One Direction -2, Touch Range -1: 8 Ranks (4) + PF: Subtle = [5] plus Telekinesis 2, One Direction -2, Simulated Inverse Power Law -1, Side Effect -1: 8 Ranks (2) + PF: Subtle 1 = [3] plus Telekinesis 2, Perception +1, One Direction -2: 1 rank (1) + PF: Subtle 1 = [2] 1pp The Side effect is the anchoring we discussed earlier. It should inflict a Trip of equal rank to Stickler's power use any time he uses the power on a target that either outweighs him or is braced against movement. With the flaw on Immovable, this should make it worth being a Side Effect. I've also included 3 points of Indirect for the Trip Knockbacks until it's decided by two refs whether I need them all. I do intend to give Stickler quite a few Grappling feats and a lot of Toughness, so Knockforwards could be useful to him, provided they don't knock him over.
JDRook Posted February 10, 2008 Author Posted February 10, 2008 Stage 2: Simulated Inverse Power Law Flaw We'd discussed Explosive area effect and possible variations for that, which didn't really work out. This is roughly the same idea, but pretty customized. As I suspect you know, gravity (and several other phenomena) drops in intensity inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source. So gravity felt by a target 100ft from source is 1/4 as strong as gravity felt by a second target at 50ft. Essentially, strength drops quickly but has at least a slight effect over distance. MnM doesn't really have that level of granularity (and I'm thankful for that) so I thought a simple way to simulate it would be to simply have rank drop to half rounded up every range increment. So for a rank 10 TK, the first 100ft range increment could do the full 10 ranks, the second would be 5, the third 3, then 2, then 1, and stay at 1 to the end of range. 10, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, . . . 1. I think this would give the right feel for the power. For more accuracy, I guess it should actually drop one quarter each rank (eg 10, 3, 1, ... 1.) but that seems less interesting to me. The main qualities of the flaw to me are the close range strength and the "long tail" at the end. I wrote up the array that would have the effect, and even included an extra Perception Range rank 1 power to simulate the long tail effect. Gravity Pull Array: 18pp total Trip 1, Knockforward +1, Explosive Area +1, Touch Range -1: 6 ranks (12) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle = 16pp AP: Trip 1, Knockback +1, Simulated Inverse Power Law -1, Side Effect -1: 8 ranks (4) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle 1 = [8] plus Trip 1, Knockback +1, Perception +1: 1 rank (3) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle 1 = [7] 1pp AP: Telekinesis 2, Explosive Area +1, One Direction -2, Touch Range -1: 8 Ranks (4) + PF: Subtle = [5] plus Telekinesis 2, One Direction -2, Simulated Inverse Power Law -1, Side Effect -1: 8 Ranks (2) + PF: Subtle 1 = [3] plus Telekinesis 2, Perception +1, One Direction -2: 1 rank (1) + PF: Subtle 1 = [2] 1pp The Side effect is the anchoring we discussed earlier. It should inflict a Trip of equal rank to Stickler's power use any time he uses the power on a target that either outweighs him or is braced against movement. With the flaw on Immovable, this should make it worth being a Side Effect. I've also included 3 points of Indirect for the Trip Knockbacks until it's decided by two refs whether I need them all. I do intend to give Stickler quite a few Grappling feats and a lot of Toughness, so Knockforwards could be useful to him, provided they don't knock him over.
JDRook Posted February 10, 2008 Author Posted February 10, 2008 Stage 2: Simulated Inverse Power Law Flaw We'd discussed Explosive area effect and possible variations for that, which didn't really work out. This is roughly the same idea, but pretty customized. As I suspect you know, gravity (and several other phenomena) drops in intensity inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source. So gravity felt by a target 100ft from source is 1/4 as strong as gravity felt by a second target at 50ft. Essentially, strength drops quickly but has at least a slight effect over distance. MnM doesn't really have that level of granularity (and I'm thankful for that) so I thought a simple way to simulate it would be to simply have rank drop to half rounded up every range increment. So for a rank 10 TK, the first 100ft range increment could do the full 10 ranks, the second would be 5, the third 3, then 2, then 1, and stay at 1 to the end of range. 10, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, . . . 1. I think this would give the right feel for the power. For more accuracy, I guess it should actually drop one quarter each rank (eg 10, 3, 1, ... 1.) but that seems less interesting to me. The main qualities of the flaw to me are the close range strength and the "long tail" at the end. I wrote up the array that would have the effect, and even included an extra Perception Range rank 1 power to simulate the long tail effect. Gravity Pull Array: 18pp total Trip 1, Knockforward +1, Explosive Area +1, Touch Range -1: 6 ranks (12) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle = 16pp AP: Trip 1, Knockback +1, Simulated Inverse Power Law -1, Side Effect -1: 8 ranks (4) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle 1 = [8] plus Trip 1, Knockback +1, Perception +1: 1 rank (3) + PF: Indirect 3 + PF: Subtle 1 = [7] 1pp AP: Telekinesis 2, Explosive Area +1, One Direction -2, Touch Range -1: 8 Ranks (4) + PF: Subtle = [5] plus Telekinesis 2, One Direction -2, Simulated Inverse Power Law -1, Side Effect -1: 8 Ranks (2) + PF: Subtle 1 = [3] plus Telekinesis 2, Perception +1, One Direction -2: 1 rank (1) + PF: Subtle 1 = [2] 1pp The Side effect is the anchoring we discussed earlier. It should inflict a Trip of equal rank to Stickler's power use any time he uses the power on a target that either outweighs him or is braced against movement. With the flaw on Immovable, this should make it worth being a Side Effect. I've also included 3 points of Indirect for the Trip Knockbacks until it's decided by two refs whether I need them all. I do intend to give Stickler quite a few Grappling feats and a lot of Toughness, so Knockforwards could be useful to him, provided they don't knock him over.
Heridfel Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 I'm fine with your suggestion of the Encumbering flaw on the first part. I think that you're overcomplicating the Gravity Pull array. Set aside the first half of it with the inverse Power flaw, and just look at the second part. A rank 1 Trip attack will fail over half the time against anyone with a positive Strength modifier or Acrobatics modifier, and the Knockback (or Knockforward) hits as hard as a rank 2 effect. That is ignored by anyone with a Toughness save of 4 or higher, which is the majority of the people you'll fight. What you wrote might model reality better, but Mutants and Masterminds isn't really set up for modeling reality. That writeup also makes it difficult to tell what the power actually does. Because the APs have a different rank than the main power, it also means different range increments, which further complicates how the power works. I'd also have to look at Move Object, which Trip is based on. I think that it can be used to make Trip attacks, which would duplicate your main power and first AP.
Heridfel Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 I'm fine with your suggestion of the Encumbering flaw on the first part. I think that you're overcomplicating the Gravity Pull array. Set aside the first half of it with the inverse Power flaw, and just look at the second part. A rank 1 Trip attack will fail over half the time against anyone with a positive Strength modifier or Acrobatics modifier, and the Knockback (or Knockforward) hits as hard as a rank 2 effect. That is ignored by anyone with a Toughness save of 4 or higher, which is the majority of the people you'll fight. What you wrote might model reality better, but Mutants and Masterminds isn't really set up for modeling reality. That writeup also makes it difficult to tell what the power actually does. Because the APs have a different rank than the main power, it also means different range increments, which further complicates how the power works. I'd also have to look at Move Object, which Trip is based on. I think that it can be used to make Trip attacks, which would duplicate your main power and first AP.
Heridfel Posted February 10, 2008 Posted February 10, 2008 I'm fine with your suggestion of the Encumbering flaw on the first part. I think that you're overcomplicating the Gravity Pull array. Set aside the first half of it with the inverse Power flaw, and just look at the second part. A rank 1 Trip attack will fail over half the time against anyone with a positive Strength modifier or Acrobatics modifier, and the Knockback (or Knockforward) hits as hard as a rank 2 effect. That is ignored by anyone with a Toughness save of 4 or higher, which is the majority of the people you'll fight. What you wrote might model reality better, but Mutants and Masterminds isn't really set up for modeling reality. That writeup also makes it difficult to tell what the power actually does. Because the APs have a different rank than the main power, it also means different range increments, which further complicates how the power works. I'd also have to look at Move Object, which Trip is based on. I think that it can be used to make Trip attacks, which would duplicate your main power and first AP.
JDRook Posted February 12, 2008 Author Posted February 12, 2008 I think that you're overcomplicating the Gravity Pull array. Set aside the first half of it with the inverse Power flaw, and just look at the second part. A rank 1 Trip attack will fail over half the time against anyone with a positive Strength modifier or Acrobatics modifier, and the Knockback (or Knockforward) hits as hard as a rank 2 effect. That is ignored by anyone with a Toughness save of 4 or higher, which is the majority of the people you'll fight. That's good to know. I originally wasn't intending on having the long tail on the Trip on the suspicion that it wouldn't be very effective. It does still work on the TK, though, since that's more of a utility than combat power. What you wrote might model reality better, but Mutants and Masterminds isn't really set up for modeling reality. That writeup also makes it difficult to tell what the power actually does. Because the APs have a different rank than the main power, it also means different range increments, which further complicates how the power works. Good point. I dropped the ranks on the powers because they were getting expensive, and fiddled with them to get the numbers to work in the array. Maybe I should try to simplify it. I'd also have to look at Move Object, which Trip is based on. I think that it can be used to make Trip attacks, which would duplicate your main power and first AP. I may have to get a copy of UP, although I assume Move Object is mostly like TK. There's probably something about tripping with TK as well.
JDRook Posted February 12, 2008 Author Posted February 12, 2008 I think that you're overcomplicating the Gravity Pull array. Set aside the first half of it with the inverse Power flaw, and just look at the second part. A rank 1 Trip attack will fail over half the time against anyone with a positive Strength modifier or Acrobatics modifier, and the Knockback (or Knockforward) hits as hard as a rank 2 effect. That is ignored by anyone with a Toughness save of 4 or higher, which is the majority of the people you'll fight. That's good to know. I originally wasn't intending on having the long tail on the Trip on the suspicion that it wouldn't be very effective. It does still work on the TK, though, since that's more of a utility than combat power. What you wrote might model reality better, but Mutants and Masterminds isn't really set up for modeling reality. That writeup also makes it difficult to tell what the power actually does. Because the APs have a different rank than the main power, it also means different range increments, which further complicates how the power works. Good point. I dropped the ranks on the powers because they were getting expensive, and fiddled with them to get the numbers to work in the array. Maybe I should try to simplify it. I'd also have to look at Move Object, which Trip is based on. I think that it can be used to make Trip attacks, which would duplicate your main power and first AP. I may have to get a copy of UP, although I assume Move Object is mostly like TK. There's probably something about tripping with TK as well.
JDRook Posted February 12, 2008 Author Posted February 12, 2008 I think that you're overcomplicating the Gravity Pull array. Set aside the first half of it with the inverse Power flaw, and just look at the second part. A rank 1 Trip attack will fail over half the time against anyone with a positive Strength modifier or Acrobatics modifier, and the Knockback (or Knockforward) hits as hard as a rank 2 effect. That is ignored by anyone with a Toughness save of 4 or higher, which is the majority of the people you'll fight. That's good to know. I originally wasn't intending on having the long tail on the Trip on the suspicion that it wouldn't be very effective. It does still work on the TK, though, since that's more of a utility than combat power. What you wrote might model reality better, but Mutants and Masterminds isn't really set up for modeling reality. That writeup also makes it difficult to tell what the power actually does. Because the APs have a different rank than the main power, it also means different range increments, which further complicates how the power works. Good point. I dropped the ranks on the powers because they were getting expensive, and fiddled with them to get the numbers to work in the array. Maybe I should try to simplify it. I'd also have to look at Move Object, which Trip is based on. I think that it can be used to make Trip attacks, which would duplicate your main power and first AP. I may have to get a copy of UP, although I assume Move Object is mostly like TK. There's probably something about tripping with TK as well.
Heridfel Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 Yep, I remembered right. "Move Object can't inflict damage directly.... you can use it to make disarm and trip attacks." Basically, you use your rank in Move Object as your effective Strength bonus for the disarm and trip attacks. Telekinesis is Move Object with a different name, so you've got what you need right there. Here's what I'm proposing; see if it meets with your approval. At the least, it should provide a decent springboard. Telekinesis 8 (Extra: Area (Explosion), Selective Attack; Flaws: Range (Touch), Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), PF: Subtle) (costs 9 pp) AP: Telekinesis 8 (Flaws: Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), Side Effect (-1), Inverse Square Law (-1); PF: Subtle) (costs 3 pp) Telekinesis 2 (Extra: Perception; Flaws: Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), Side Effect (-1), PF: Subtle) (costs 2 pp) The AP isn't even the full cost of the main power. You could simulate the "knockforward" effect by grappling someone at a distance with your power and throwing them (only towards yourself, of course). The one downside that I see is that the main power is usually going to be more effective than the AP. If you take out Selective Attack, it drops the cost of the main power to 5, and gives you a better reason to use the AP. I think what is there is pretty darn effective for 10 (or 6 with that reduction) pp.
Heridfel Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 Yep, I remembered right. "Move Object can't inflict damage directly.... you can use it to make disarm and trip attacks." Basically, you use your rank in Move Object as your effective Strength bonus for the disarm and trip attacks. Telekinesis is Move Object with a different name, so you've got what you need right there. Here's what I'm proposing; see if it meets with your approval. At the least, it should provide a decent springboard. Telekinesis 8 (Extra: Area (Explosion), Selective Attack; Flaws: Range (Touch), Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), PF: Subtle) (costs 9 pp) AP: Telekinesis 8 (Flaws: Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), Side Effect (-1), Inverse Square Law (-1); PF: Subtle) (costs 3 pp) Telekinesis 2 (Extra: Perception; Flaws: Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), Side Effect (-1), PF: Subtle) (costs 2 pp) The AP isn't even the full cost of the main power. You could simulate the "knockforward" effect by grappling someone at a distance with your power and throwing them (only towards yourself, of course). The one downside that I see is that the main power is usually going to be more effective than the AP. If you take out Selective Attack, it drops the cost of the main power to 5, and gives you a better reason to use the AP. I think what is there is pretty darn effective for 10 (or 6 with that reduction) pp.
Heridfel Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 Yep, I remembered right. "Move Object can't inflict damage directly.... you can use it to make disarm and trip attacks." Basically, you use your rank in Move Object as your effective Strength bonus for the disarm and trip attacks. Telekinesis is Move Object with a different name, so you've got what you need right there. Here's what I'm proposing; see if it meets with your approval. At the least, it should provide a decent springboard. Telekinesis 8 (Extra: Area (Explosion), Selective Attack; Flaws: Range (Touch), Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), PF: Subtle) (costs 9 pp) AP: Telekinesis 8 (Flaws: Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), Side Effect (-1), Inverse Square Law (-1); PF: Subtle) (costs 3 pp) Telekinesis 2 (Extra: Perception; Flaws: Limited: One Direction (towards self) (-2), Side Effect (-1), PF: Subtle) (costs 2 pp) The AP isn't even the full cost of the main power. You could simulate the "knockforward" effect by grappling someone at a distance with your power and throwing them (only towards yourself, of course). The one downside that I see is that the main power is usually going to be more effective than the AP. If you take out Selective Attack, it drops the cost of the main power to 5, and gives you a better reason to use the AP. I think what is there is pretty darn effective for 10 (or 6 with that reduction) pp.
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